This is the fifth part of a series of exchanges with a member of Ang Dating Daan. ADD member JC’s comments are in red while mine are in black. I ask the readers to judge for themselves which among the two camps (Roman Catholic or the “Ang Dating Daan”) advanced more intelligent arguments and brought more Scriptures on the discussion table.
Granting without accepting that Hail Mary is a kind of prayer, intercession prayer as you have implied, how many times you recited it? 10 x 5= 50 times. Isn’t that repitition?
Do we say that it’s not repetition? It is repetition. But is there a Biblical prohibition against repetition of prayer? You have to cite me one.
Is your god deaf?
Definitely not. Do we claim that God is deaf? When we praise God, we do that often – repeatedly, do we? Is God deaf not to hear our praise? No. He relishes it . That’s why we read in the book of Psalms, “Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments” (Ps. 119:164). Why do it seven times a day when once would be enough?
That you really need to repeat your prayer at that moment?
Why not? Again, does the Bible prohibit repetition? I need a verse that says that repetition per se of prayer is wrong.
Jesus taught us how to pray.
(Mat 6:9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
(Mat 6:10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
(Mat 6:11) Give us this day our daily bread.
(Mat 6:12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
(Mat 6:13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Above manner, I have not seen any repetition. But if you’re going to pray this per se, same and same regardless of cases, I believe that is repetition.
As you said it rightly, that is just your belief. And so what if that is repetition? Those are the words of the Lord Jesus. Can we improve on the words of the Savior Himself? I don’t think so. The Lord’s Prayer is a thoroughly complete form of prayer because it possesses all kinds – adoration, praise, thanksgiving, supplication, etc.
It’s not the repetition of the words that counts. It’s not how we repeat it that matters. It’s how we MEAN it that is important. Each time it is prayed, regardless of the cases, it acquires a different meaning because, being the inspired words of the Lord, it’s richness is inexhaustible.
Jesus is our master in prayer, our teacher. When He gave us that prayer, we take His word for it. We don’t presume to know better than Him and certainly we are never arrogant to claim that we can have a better version of His words. We cannot improve on the words of Our Savior.
You have not follow the pattern given by Lord Jesus.
Of course we do. And no less than Our Lord engaged in repeating a prayer. The evangelist Matthew reports, “So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing” (Mt. 26:44). Is Jesus’ God deaf that it had to take Jesus pray for the third time saying the same thing? I don’t think so.
Repetitious prayer in one time session is prohibited.
Ooops, wala kang talata, sister? Verse please.
Mathew 26: 39-44 stated that Lord Jesus prayed of the same words but not in the same time, there were interval of time.
Ha ha ha. I got you there! So iba na ang stand mo. Ok lang magdasal ng same words basta may interval. I am amazed. This is new doctrine, hija. You know what, may tanong ako sa iyo. Ayon sa Biblia, gaano katagal dapat ang time interval bago umulit ng salita sa pagdarasal? Isang oras? Isang minuto? Isang segundo? TALATA ang hihingiin ko sa’yo niyan. Pakibigay ng sitas, please…
Minamahal, alam mo namang WALANG TAO na nagsasalita ng magkakasabay na salita. Imposible iyon. Kung tama ang sinasabi mo na dapat may interval ang mga salita sa dasal, aba’y tupad naming mga Katoliko kasi may interval. Ha ha ha. Alam mo kung bakit? Kaya ba naman ng tao na magsalita ng dalawang sabay na AMA NAMIN o ABA GINOONG MARIA? Walang ganun. One at a time. Kaya tama ka, may interval nga!
Mat 6:7-8) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
(Mat 6:8) Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
I like your verses. But did you not notice Matthew 6:7? What does it prohibit? “VAIN” REPETITION! So, repetition is OK as long as it is not vain. But what you have done? You just mention REPETITION and you drop the word “VAIN.” Hey, you are not doing justice to God’s Word! NAGBABAWAS KA, SISTER. Masama iyan. Aminin!